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30th-Apr-2013 05:59 pm
Buffy - One girl

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Comments 
30th-Apr-2013 05:28 pm (UTC)
I really like #7 - these are great!
1st-May-2013 06:50 am (UTC)
Thank you - it means a lot when someone whose work I like, admires something I have done.
30th-Apr-2013 09:58 pm (UTC)
Lurvly. I wish I had room for another Tara icon. I only have a free account, though, and six icons is my max.
1st-May-2013 06:51 am (UTC)
Tara was a great character, wasn't she?

I have paid for the extra icons ... and still don't have enough!
1st-May-2013 12:38 pm (UTC)
These are terrific! Love em, specially Dru, Dru was/is/for evermore shall be so, WIN.
1st-May-2013 03:53 pm (UTC)
Thanks - although I am 100% Spuffy, I love Dru ... and love her part in the storyline.
11th-Dec-2013 01:43 pm (UTC)
I never really paid much attention to Dru, but lately I've started thinking about the parallels between her story and Buffy's and it gets really...interesting. I'm surprised that she doesn't get more attention in fandom, that there aren't more tics written about her; and there's over 100 years of history to write about. Where are the tics about Dru's experience being turned, etc? Angst, tragedy, psychological torture, etc - doesn't this fandom thrive on that stuff? (But then I tend to be female-centric and am always shocked - shocked I say! - when others aren't as well.)

Which btw is why I totally support your icon projects re Captain Janeaway and other awesome fictional ladies. :)
11th-Dec-2013 07:13 pm (UTC)
There's quite a lot of Dru in Spuffy ... both pro and anti her. Her relationship with Spike was very special ... without her he would not have been the person he was. She needed love and care and he managed to keep his human-love that he had for his mum.

Yes, Angel talks of her turning, but because of the vampire she became we never learn anything from her.

A lot of the people I like are strong characters, or flawed characters. And in pairings it tends to be those that are not always canon.
12th-Dec-2013 08:36 pm (UTC)
ETA: I forgot to mention that I also like your Angelus icon where he's looking over his shoulder to the right and there's a faint hint of a rainbow or prism radiating from the upper right corner. It's very a strong and simple composition, and I like that. I like fancy effects when they are done well but not for their own sake; and sometimes simplest is best!

She needed love and care and he managed to keep his human-love that he had for his mum.

True and given that Dru was his sire (from FFL onward) it's still twisted and one might say immature/oeudipal. (Not that I'm a freudian!) I think of Spike rather like a teenager, stuck in that state of immaturity on some levels the moment he was turned; he and Xander actually have a lot in common. They do a lot of growing up but it ain't easy. (Your icon is interesting because I think Willam and Spike are seen as being opposites from one another and that's not entirely true IMO; in FFL we see William behaving in a somewhat "stalker-y" way to Cecily, albeit the "Victorian gentleman" version of it. I think William is more complicated than he's made out to be, but that's just my two cents! Like you say, flawed character FTW. If they're perfect little puppets why bother watching?)

but because of the vampire she became we never learn anything from her.

Indeed; There's his version to Buffy in Lie to Me, which actually centers around himself and his pain as the perpetrator, not that of the victim who is NOT allowed to tell her own story; and the flashbacks in Becoming and FFL. Then there's Spike's version of things in Crush.

I do have issues with the show, or rather, Joss himself in his shows - and fandom - prioritizing the pain of the perpetrators over that of the (voiceless) victims.

And in pairings it tends to be those that are not always canon.

Such as?

Edited at 2013-12-12 08:38 pm (UTC)
13th-Dec-2013 08:25 pm (UTC)
Thanks - I make few Angel icons, so good to know they do work OK. Yes, sometimes a simple colouring, or even just the crop is where the true image comes from.

Poor Spike was more than floored ... but maybe that's why I love him! I first saw BtVS in mid season 7 and I saw him trying to put the whole of his past behind him. That really appealed, both with my own faith, but with my own life.

Non-Canon ... well, there are lots that will tell you that Buffy-Spike forever-after is not canon!! In Star Trek Voyager I love the Captain Kathryn Janeway & Chakotay ... and in Blake I know that Cally & Avon "must" have been involved.
14th-Dec-2013 04:47 am (UTC)
Yes, sometimes a simple colouring, or even just the crop is where the true image comes from.

When I did Moulin Rouge icons I tended to play more with effects, because photobucket had a different platform, and it's a very visual film; the actors are barely more than props on some level. Btvs is about the people; a single expression, a laugh or a tear can be as seismic as an earthquake. So why wouldn't I want to focus on those faces and beloved characters?

in Blake I know that Cally & Avon "must" have been involved.

Of course they were! Their chemistry? The little looks? HOT STUFF!

My friend Christine introduced me to Blake in college and she adored Cally and Avon; she said that the producers didn't want to make the relationship "text" because they "didn't want to turn it into a soap opera". (translation: relationships are girly things and therefore "not serious", while guns and spaceships and killing things is super-serious.)

This mindset never fails to irritate me; it's our relationships that MAKE us human, from the moment we are born and begin to learn from our parents. It's central to our existence; how can that not be "serious"?

Silly men.
11th-Dec-2013 07:43 am (UTC)
Oh, #3 - just seconds before buffy finds Joyce's body and her world is split asunder. *tears up*
11th-Dec-2013 08:02 am (UTC)
When you see that for the first time you are so positive and hopeful fro Joyce ... and therefore Buffy & Dawn ... then ... !!!
11th-Dec-2013 01:59 pm (UTC)
you are so positive and hopeful fro Joyce ... and therefore Buffy & Dawn ... then

Right? The icon you did in another set of Buffy wearing a lavender sweater and smiling is from the same episode and is one of the last times we get to see Buffy really smile. She's been dumped rather horribly by Riley but she can be there to support her mom's happiness (and I love how different her reactions are here from the episode Ted when she was 16). And the scene where Joyce teases Buffy about her date is absolutely priceless. If anything I wanted more of that, not less - to see Joyce as a woman in her own right and not just "Buffy's mom", and this episode really made me happy until it broke my heart and stomped on the pieces.

I think the importance of Joyce in Buffy's life and the trauma of this moment tends to get underestimated in fandom (and the ships overestimated or over-celebrated, IMHO.) i.e. more fics! more icons! more essays! please, like, yesterday?

Buffy (and Dawn's) support system is already so fragile and threadbare and to loose that central figure is really shattering. (Which is why the message the show seems to send, that Buffy just "needs to get over her depression and pull herself up by her bootstraps with no help, therapy, support etc" throughout the show (esp S3, S5-7) really bugs me a lot. But that's a whole other rant....)
11th-Dec-2013 07:18 pm (UTC)
Now Joyce was a strong woman ... and I wish that more was made of her. Coping with the final discovering of Buffy's calling was done so well ... and the few episodes that she was featured in showed that she was a lady of layers.

It is awful that within days of losing her mum Giles is pushing her for decisions. It's where I began to totally lose respect for his character.
12th-Dec-2013 08:20 pm (UTC)
YES YES YES. One of the things I wanted to see most when I was watching the early seasons was for Joyce to be integrated into the story. I wanted her to find out about Buffy's identity thinking that would bring her into the story more. I didn't want her to be on the edges, a plot device when necessary or the butt of another joke. I've probably said this before, but a girl's mother is so, so important to her, and Joyce was Buffy's primary parent; and I have experience as the daughter of a single mom - that bond can be tight and loving but also fractured and even suffocating at times. When the Buffy-Joyce relationship we got to see those contradictions: Ted, Becoming, Anne Gingerbread.

When they let Kristine Sutherland shine, she could be amazing.

Of course I've also said and keep saying, the show NEEDED more mature women, not just teenage girls - as mothers, friends, mentors etc. (Mentioning but not showing the Coven Willow mentions in Lessons was a missed opportunity IMO.)

Coping with the final discovering of Buffy's calling was done so well

I wanted it to happen sooner but I absolutely agree with this. I know there are fans who hate Joyce and hate her in that moment, but I certainly don't. The metaphor of Buffy being "in the closet" to her mom is in the show from the beginning and very important in that it's damaging to their relationship and the WC doesn't care (but as with Kendra we can assume most girls were given over to their Watchers throughout history.) But lying and hiding things has been part of their relationship long before - see the flashback in Becoming. Dysfunctional families become very good at that, so the WC (via Giles) was able to take advantage of a pre-existing situation.

I've seen other fans insist just as vehemently that Joyce was a great mom. I'd say she was both, i.e. she was flawed just like any parent. I notice that there's a tendency in fantoms to reduce or simplify characters to one defining characteristic, at the price of complexity.

It is awful that within days of losing her mum Giles is pushing her for decisions. It's where I began to totally lose respect for his character.

I get that he's very ill-equipped to play the "father" role; I assume his own parents were somewhat distant (not unlike Willow's, perhaps? Well educated, middle class, with certain set expectations of what their son should be.) It was easy enough to have a "father's love" when Joyce was the primary caretaker. SInce Giles is a stand-in for Hank, it still mirrors the situation of the part-time parent vs full-time parent in divorced families.

BUT - not cool at all Giles. Not ok at all to push her after her mother just died, and again after she's been resurrected and asks for a little help. Abandoning a mentally ill and newly resurrected girl is NOT going to make things better. He's practicing "tough love" but she hasn't done anything to merit it; it's not proportional to the situation and is actually sadistic or at least cruel IMO.

Hank, Giles, Angel and Riley are very similar in that way: use Buffy as needed, reject and abandon her when things get too uncomfortable emotionally, or when she doesn't fulfill what they need/want from her. Giles is a lot like Riley during that period, I realized. (I talked about this a bit on eilowyn's journal http://eilowyn.livejournal.com/200475.html?thread=2300699#t2300699
The link is to kikimay quoting me so you don't have to wade through the rest of my excess verbiage.

I don't HATE giles, i can understand him, but i don't respect his actions or rationalizations here. (Which actually aren't OOC like some people think; he's been trying to pull away from Buffy at least since S4's The Freshman.) I nearly cheered when she closed the door in his face in LMPTM; even taking Spike out of the equation, that moment was a long time coming. (There's a reason we see Buffy checking on a sleeping Dawn in that moment, the callback to the Gift; Spike is paralleled to Dawn as someone Buffy cares about. You do NOT mess with the people Buffy Summers loves. GIles damn well knows it - hence the subterfuge. It's also not unlike Willow's subterfuge re: Bargaining either.)
13th-Dec-2013 08:38 pm (UTC)
I know that the show had so many good characters to love or hate, and that is why some stories had to be pushed away, but I think Joyce is one character they minimized too much.

I loved Giles in the early days, and just as you see him turning into a father he seems to fall apart ... loosing his job, and Buffy going to college were steps for him, yet as Buffy turns back to him he seems to continue to punish her for those steps of adulthood that he wanted her to take. Yes, all her "men" (except Spike, most of the time, I have to point out *g*) did what they thought was best for her ... and then couldn't cope with her decisions and or/mistakes. I can understand him lots .... and yes, I would imagine his parents were worse than Willow's, as they had the good-old English stiff-upper-lip on top of the distance.

I found the way he failed to support her as Joyce died, and then she had to face killing Dawn, at his suggestion, was certainly wrong. He was also the one she turned to when resurected ... if he had stayed, I doubt she would have fallen so easily into the destructive relationship with Spike.
17th-Dec-2013 01:10 am (UTC)
I think Joyce is one character they minimized too much.

as Buffy turns back to him he seems to continue to punish her for those steps of adulthood that he wanted her to take.

He was also the one she turned to when resurected ... if he had stayed, I doubt she would have fallen so easily into the destructive relationship with Spike.

Yes Yes and Yes to all of this, absolutely.

Did I ever recommend il_mio_capitano's fix "Holding On" to you? AU of TR, what if Buffy had expressed her rage at his abandonment of her? I think I might have but - mind like a sieve here.
http://capitano-fic.livejournal.com/3404.html

I disagree somewhat on Spike, but let me know if I'm misinterpreting your statement. I definitely agree with what you say when it comes to S7 or esp late S7, but I think it gets overlooked that he can be just as guilty of deciding what someone else wants or needs based on his own needs as Xander, Giles etc.

And I feel I have to carefully add that it's not one-sided and that I do ship the two of them in S7; as I've said in my "Welcome" post, love in action is the most important work there is. (Never leave me, Sleeper, Showtime, Touched, Chosen - oh I have such feelings.) He earns the right to say what he does in Touched because he DOES know her better than anyone, and she understands him. I adore that.

But it's taken time for BOTH of them to get to that point IMO. I constantly hear it reiterated in fandom how wrong she is about him, but there's an assumption over and over that he always gets her right, he always understands her, and that he ONLY does what she would want him to do. Which is fine in fanon, but it's not canon. (I'll spare you the tiresome litany of examples!)

But like I said, I ship canon Buffy and Spike in S7 so hard it hurts sometimes; fanon Buffy and Spike? It depends, and often not so much.
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